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Dmytro Kuleba, Minister for Foreign Affairs 03.08.22
Опубліковано 03 серпня 2022 року о 10:10

There won’t be such a moment in history when the Crimea issue will be back-shelved

The head of Ukrainian diplomacy, Dmytro Kuleba, considers long war fatigue inevitable, while remaining positive that both Ukrainians and their partners are capable of overcoming it. In an interview with Ukrinform, he also provided, in our opinion, massively convincing proof of his belief in Ukraine’s victory.

Also, the head of Ukrainian diplomacy spoke of why Ukraine has not yet severed relations with Belarus, whether there is a "Spartz factor" in Ukrainian-American relations, what obstacles will have to be tackled to create a Special Tribunal for probing Russian leadership, whether Hungary is the Kremlin's "fifth column," and whether the rumors are true that Iryna Venediktova could become Ukraine’s Ambassador of Switzerland.

TO FIGHT UKRAINE, PUTIN USES  MISSILES, AND TO FIGHT  EUROPE – GAS PRICES, INFLATION, AND PROPAGANDA

- Minister, let's start with the heinous execution of Ukrainian prisoners of war by Russia in Olenivka. You called on the UN to visit the penal colony to establish all the facts related to this crime, and the International Committee of the Red Cross – to check on all Ukrainian prisoners of war that are being held there. We are aware of what the UN and the ICRC said in this regard. What's next? Do these international organizations, which stood as guarantors of POWs’ lives, realize their indirect responsibility for their deaths and the safety of more than 2,000 Mariupol defenders who remain in captivity?

- Even if their sense of responsibility for these citizens of ours has somewhat dulled, the events in Olenivka have sharpened it. We helped them feel it as much as possible.

All the statements that Ukraine made on that tragic day were not about emotion – it was a call to international partners to perform their basic functions. We demand an independent inquiry into the barbaric execution of our prisoners of war, and we will punish every scoundrel involved in this heinous crime.

Everyone should work and do whatever depends on them. According to my information, both organizations "woke up" and began to take certain measures. But the truth is that, without Russia’s permission, it will be extremely difficult for them to fulfill their mandate – they can’t just get to the site of the Olenivka execution by force.

Therefore, we are currently monitoring the developments and continue to proactively push the situation in the right direction.

- In August, our Western partners go on a traditional summer break. But our war rages on. Does Ukraine have a certain diplomatic and military "reserve" for this period? Perhaps you gave our diplomats some "summer homework" to do?

- Ukrainian diplomats, no matter where they work, never go on August vacation. The task set before ambassadors and other diplomats is very clear – relatively speaking, even while on the beach, European diplomats and officials, including those of the European Commission, must deal with countering Russian aggression in Europe. After all, this is a war not only on us, it is also a war on Europe. It’s just that in Ukraine, Putin fights using his missiles, and in Europe – gas prices, inflation, and propaganda.

Therefore, all ambassadors should be aware of vacation destinations, and if necessary, call or reach out to partners even if their phone is turned off.

- For early this fall, Russia has scheduled "referendums" in the temporarily occupied territories. The U.S. said it was preparing along with its partners a swift and resolute response in the event of new annexation attempts. What would you like this response to be like?

- In the fall of last year, when they first started talking about the possibility of a new wave of Russian aggression, our partners – not only the USA, but the Europeans, too – also took the position that "if you, Russians, just dare do it, you will face severe irreparable consequences." . This logic, in principle, led to Russia deciding that all these warnings shouldn’t be taken seriously. This was one of the factors, although not the only one, which contributed to Russia daring to invade Ukraine.

Therefore, we are now also communicating to our partners that there is no need to prepare for Russia to do something before we respond. It is necessary to work every day to prevent Russia from doing anything – be it holding a referendum, running an offensive, or whatever. We need to change the logic.

We are grateful that the United States was the first nation after Ukraine to speak very loudly in the world arena about the problem of these "referendums" and their preparation as such. But it is necessary to refocus the optics – not to threaten consequences but to focus on deterrence.

Just before the interview (recorded on August 1. - author) we had a long phone call in the following format: Andriy Yermak, myself, and Valeriy Zaluzhnyi from the Ukrainian side, and Jake Sullivan, Antony Blinken, and General Milley from the U.S. side. Among other things, we talked about Russia's intentions to de facto annex newly occupied territories, and how we can prevent such a scenario from being implemented.

- After the latest missile attack on Ukraine, launched from the territory of Belarus on the Day of Ukrainian Statehood, the question arose again in our society, whether it is time to break diplomatic ties with this country. What is the position of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs on this matter in the wake of such demonstrative actions?

- I remember very well how on the night of February 24, the invasion of Ukraine began from the territory of Belarus. Before that, the Belarusians swore that their country posed no threat to us.

We harbor no illusions about Belarus, but there is a sober analysis of what’s happening, and how not to give (Alexander - ed.) Lukashenko additional reasons to make certain decisions.

I’ve already said this publicly: my position hasn’t changed. If the Belarusian armed forces move into Ukraine, I will immediately file a motion to sever diplomatic relations with them.

And regarding the fact that we are being shelled from the territory of Belarus, it seems to me that it makes no sense to time something like with any holiday dates. As for the fact that Russian bombers fly in the Belarusian airspace, sometimes they just training and sometimes firing, this is our daily reality.

I’d like to emphasize once again that Belarus is an accomplice in the crime of aggression against Ukraine, there is no doubt about that. Therefore, there are no excuses for them and there will be none.

IN FACT, THE "SPARTZ FACTOR" IN UKRAINIAN-AMERICAN RELATIONS IS NOT EVEN WORTH A QUESTION

- Congresswoman Victoria Spartz keeps penning letters to U.S. President Joe Biden regarding Ukraine. Also, she recently appealed to the UN to suspend the "grain deal." In your opinion, could these appeals shake the bipartisan support for our country in U.S. Congress? Should the Ministry of Foreign Affairs do something to prevent this from happening?

- Ms. Spartz's actions and steps resonate in Ukraine incomparably more than they do in the United States. Actually, that's why she constantly creates new media drives, trying to spin this flywheel.

We reacted to her first public step in this regard because her accusations were categorically untrue. Today's talks with the American partners, which I spoke of, are in my opinion, the best answer to Ms. Spartz's accusations of lack of trust. We all communicate and we trust each other. The level of trust that President Zelensky and his team have with the Biden administration is extremely high. We discuss things so "intimate" in professional terms that it already looks like communication between relatives, not partners.

I’m grateful to the United States for its strong bipartisan support for Ukraine, and I’m convinced that nothing can break it. We are becoming really close, special allies, and this process has been going on for a decade already.

Ms. Spartz is a career politician. If she comes up with something completely blatant, which categorically contradicts the truth and harms our interests, we will respond. For example, she spoke about the grain deal, and we responded. But we will not respond to any other passing statements. Although, I believe, they will periodically emerge on some topics, where, from the point of view of her advisers, there could be some hype.

So, once again, Ms. Spartz as a politician has the right to do this, but we also have the right to our position and an explanation why her words do not correspond to reality. We do not accuse her of anything, but we will clearly expose where she distorts reality.

- Perhaps we should try to come to an understanding with Ms. Spartz in order to prevent potential harm to Ukraine?

- When someone wants to get along, they don’t write open letters with such accusations. We never fought with her. You and I have already been talking about it for five minutes, but trust me, in reality, the "Spartz factor" in Ukrainian-American relations is not even worth a question, let alone a discussion.

https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-polytics/3542553-dmytro-kuleba-minister-for-foreign-affairs.html

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